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Topic Title: Guarantee of Standards Scheme
Topic Summary: Do all schemes have one?
Created On: 30 March 2009 07:39 PM
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 30 March 2009 09:36 PM
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sparkuk

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Originally posted by: Jaymack

Originally posted by: perspicacious

A very simple question that has far reaching implications that has been left unanswered. I wonder why.....


I've had 2 requests for an NICEIC contractor in 9 months, none for a NAPIT but the requesters are now educated!



Well no other NAPIT reader has confirmed they issue the documents, so time will tell if you get their support here


You don't really expect NAPIT members to stand up and shout - me! - me!

The NAPIT assessors would detect that, they specifically request proof, there's no point as I said, in not doing it!



Try again.



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Is that request for NIC AC or DI?
 30 March 2009 09:44 PM
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"AFAIK a NAPIT member isn't obliged to issue a contract of works; they just recommend it to protect both parties. That's the word from my first NAPIT assessment last month."

It would appear that by failing to issue a contract, the contractor is going to have to pick up all the costs.

It does raise an interesting point that had he offered the warranty and my client declined, I would have thought that the judge would had had some sympathy with the contractor and only made him pay 90% of the costs, the remaining 10% being deemed "self inflicted" by the client.

Assuming that a contract and warranty were in place, the client gets his costs, would in turn the "insurer" seek recompense from the contractor and possibly bankcrupt them?

Interesting....

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 30 March 2009 09:44 PM
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Alleged deficiencies???
 30 March 2009 09:49 PM
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"Originally posted by: perspicacious
A very simple question that has far reaching implications that has been left unanswered. I wonder why....."

I've had 2 requests for an NICEIC contractor in 9 months, none for a NAPIT but the requesters are now educated!
This doesn't answer: This does leave the consumer without cover if the NAPIT contractor "forgets" to provide the document?

Still unanswered......the irony of "try again" isn't lost.....

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 30 March 2009 09:52 PM
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BOD - just one Question Do your clients need a "Guarantee of Standards" other than your own?

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 30 March 2009 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Martynduerden

BOD - just one Question Do your clients need a "Guarantee of Standards" other than your own?


Hee hee he's always right and if his cleint doesn't agree he's rude to them too

Your right Martyn in what you say, but who would argue with God . . . . sorry I mean Bod!!!
 30 March 2009 09:55 PM
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alectricity

If you are asking about the landlord:

Or if my report, it was 7 pages.....

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 30 March 2009 09:59 PM
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You have all missed a important point, NAPIT offer a mediation service to resolve any issues without the customer having to go through the courts and because of this if the customer has started legal action they will not take up the investigation at the customers request, it has to be NAPIT first, then court if not resolved.

However if there is a contract in place the Electrician has access to legal support to claim against the customer.

NAPIT provided a Solicitor for me to speak to recently, trouble was she told me I did not said any chance of getting paid.

I am quite sure having spoken to my NAPIT field officer and others that the NAPIT scheme is perfectly fair to custoner and Electrician alike, but they do really want a written document detailing what work the Customer agreed to have done, otherwise how do they know what the specification was?

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 30 March 2009 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by: stureid
AFAIK a NAPIT member isn't obliged to issue a contract of works; they just recommend it to protect both parties. That's the word from my first NAPIT assessment last month.

At my assessment, signed contracts were certainly looked for, otherwise the insurance etc. is not relevant. It's in your own interests after all, how many incidents when there has been a dispute with a client over content and additional rates? It's easy to take along a pro forma, small works contract even for small repairs. I always give a price, Bill of Q's with rates for material and additional work etc., it saves bun fights later - all to make life as easy as possible, it makes sense.

Personally I'm probably a bit too lax for my own good here; I only tend to issue contracts (and variation orders) for larger works, which has always worked for me.

Any job as I said, requires paperwork before and after.

To be honest though, I'm the only one who could get bitten by this because I never leave room for justifiable complaint anyway.

You've been fortunate, why risk it though?

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 30 March 2009 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by: perspicacious

alectricity



If you are asking about the landlord:



Or if my report, it was 7 pages.....



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BOD



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Judge says 'death and harm' . . . . . . . . how can anything come after death unless he knows something we don't!? I would worry about harm after death!
 30 March 2009 10:03 PM
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"BOD - just one Question Do your clients need a "Guarantee of Standards" other than your own?"

You ought to be familiar with this requirement in the link Martyn.

Worse consequences for me with CEng.....

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 30 March 2009 10:04 PM
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My NAPIT field officer also thought putting a copy of the invoice along with the quote in with the filed copies of the certificates a good idea, that way if asked for the paperwork in four or five years time it is all together.

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 30 March 2009 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by: perspicacious

"BOD - just one Question Do your clients need a "Guarantee of Standards" other than your own?"



You ought to be familiar with this requirement in the link Martyn.



Worse consequences for me with CEng.....



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God . . . sorry Bod has learnt how to use web links tonigh!

 30 March 2009 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkuk
Not really, I have never respected NAPIT since they offered a fast track solution to five day wonder sparks just to get their membership money in!!! Of which they went back on which shows what standards they have!!!

Can I take that as a No then?, the NICEIC will also give free transfers from other bodies! They're losing business y'see - they're shrinking!

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 30 March 2009 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

My NAPIT field officer also thought putting a copy of the invoice along with the quote in with the filed copies of the certificates a good idea, that way if asked for the paperwork in four or five years time it is all together.



Andy


WOW he's good, do we not do this anyway?

Perhaps he's gone on a five day business studies course and is now advising 'the Dragons' on the best business methods to make millions, and he's competent now he can self certify!!!!!!
 30 March 2009 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by: perspicacious

"BOD - just one Question Do your clients need a "Guarantee of Standards" other than your own?"



You ought to be familiar with this requirement in the link Martyn.



Worse consequences for me with CEng.....



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Sorry BOD you have lost me ?

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 30 March 2009 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkuk
Is that request for NIC AC or DI?

One of each, not that it matters as a far as I'm concerned.

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 30 March 2009 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Jaymack

Originally posted by: sparkuk

Not really, I have never respected NAPIT since they offered a fast track solution to five day wonder sparks just to get their membership money in!!! Of which they went back on which shows what standards they have!!!


Can I take that as a No then?, the NICEIC will also give free transfers from other bodies! They're losing business y'see - they're shrinking!



Regards


Really???? Prove it . . . . . .

And by the way I said nothing about free tranfers, I'm talking about me making spoof calls as a kitchen fitter wanting their approvals after a five day course and all I can give is two customer references but can't show them any works and they still said if you pay we'll accept you!!!!!!!!!!!!
 30 March 2009 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Jaymack

Originally posted by: sparkuk

Is that request for NIC AC or DI?


One of each, not that it matters as a far as I'm concerned.



Regards


Well there is a big difference and yes it does matter hence they offer the option of a higher level AC!
 30 March 2009 10:15 PM
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