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Topic Title: Wiring Underneath Skirting Boards
Topic Summary: Can I pass a ring main underneath the skirting boards?
Created On: 08 April 2008 08:32 PM
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 08 April 2008 08:32 PM
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mrcsmith

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I am in the process of rewiring my house and am after some advice from the brains. I have a brand new carpet which I do not wish to lift to pass the cabling and it has been suggested that I pass the cabling underneath the skirting boards. Conveniently enough I am planning to replace the skirting boards so it solves my wiring routing problems.

Anyone know if there are any regulations preventing me from doing this? Will I need to run the cabling through trunking or will sitting it in a groove in the back of the skirting board be OK??
 08 April 2008 08:52 PM
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MrAmps

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The installation method you have described means the cables will not be installed in one of the 'Safe zones'

This means you would have to enclose the cable in steel conduit or bury it at a depth of >50mm

BUT, 100mm nails or screws are often used to for fixing skirting so I would never be happy with the latter.

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 08 April 2008 08:56 PM
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knightshaft

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I'm assuming from your question that you are not a spark. If so have you notified your local building control. To answer your question, the wood would insulate the cable so it would not be allowed, as well as dubious mechanical protection.

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 08 April 2008 08:57 PM
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frspikeyhead

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You could always try trunking which is designed to run on top of skirting. There are many types better looking than the standard square tube.
 08 April 2008 09:02 PM
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unshockable

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This would depend if the sockets were in the skirting. If they were, IPSO FACTO, safe zone.

You will still have to take account of the minimum height of sockets to avoid cable strain on plugs.

This is assuming this is not new build with higher minimum heights.

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 09 April 2008 07:57 AM
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ebee

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Originally posted by: alectricity

refit new skirtings with removable screw-and-cup fixings.



if the skirting is removable, the cables behind are not embedded in the building fabric, so not subject to zones!


Unbelievable.

I`d lift the carpet, but you could run in trunking.

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 09 April 2008 08:14 AM
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jockspark

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hi you could use a box skirting batton top and bottom run your cable then skirt over used this system in a block of flats worked a treat
batton 20mm
 09 April 2008 08:16 AM
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deleted_2_tony30

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do it properly, god how much will it cost to lift a carpet and get it relaid.

LIFT THE CARPET

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 09 April 2008 08:19 AM
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Testit

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The MK website has some useful cable routing solutions using rails and coving etc. Using skirting would require additional protection as already stated, you also have to certify any work so whilst doing yourself you should still be having someone to certify it. You can end up with fines and notices on your property under Part P if you don't notify your borough council of the work or or if you cannot demonstrate compliance with the regulations, so I would employ the services of someone to help you out as you will need certification of the work involving taking measurements wih equipment you wont get down in B&Q.....

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 09 April 2008 08:39 AM
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jockspark

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after all the suggestions i think you would be faster and cheaper end up with a better job if you lift the carpet its no big deal it will go back perfect even if you get a pro carpet fitter to put it back it is still the best and cheapest option
 09 April 2008 09:04 AM
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davebarman

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You say rewire your house, then how are you going to rewire the lights

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 09 April 2008 09:31 AM
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Jaymack

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Originally posted by: davebarman

You say rewire your house, then how are you going to rewire the lights


Behind the cornice and over!

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 09 April 2008 05:49 PM
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potential

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Laying cables under a skirting board is very bad practice and I would never, ever consider it.
It is a bit late I know, but thought should have been given to lifting the floorboards before buying the new carpet.
 09 April 2008 07:05 PM
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rogersmith7671

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Here's a couple of links that may be of use for "skirting trunking systems that have been developed to provide a practical solution for the supply of power, data and telecommunication cabling in new and refurbished buildings".

D line;

http://www.d-line.co.uk/


Starline;

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/UVSLS.html




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 09 April 2008 08:35 PM
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knightshaft

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Now I've read your thread properly, Before being a spark I was a carpet fitter. LIFT THE CARPET Carpets don't have some magical properties that disappear when lifted and put back down. As long as you don't take it up in its entirety it will go back no problem but DON'T stand on the folds where you roll it back as you will NEVER get the crease out.

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 09 April 2008 09:03 PM
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ebee

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Originally posted by: alectricity

Originally posted by: ebee



Originally posted by: alectricity







refit new skirtings with removable screw-and-cup fixings.















if the skirting is removable, the cables behind are not embedded in the building fabric, so not subject to zones!








Unbelievable.




care to expand? (if only to help with the op's query?)


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 09 April 2008 09:19 PM
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ebee

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Originally posted by: ebee

Originally posted by: alectricity



Originally posted by: ebee

OK,
let`s get this straight.
The regs allow "zones of protection" otherwise known as "safe zones".
In an ideal world (which does not actually exist).
Me and thee would put cables in them in the (vain) hope that ordinary folk would realise a cble might be hidden there and therefore not drill nail etc blind into it, causing problems including danger.
Me and thee might or might not agree which of the zones are "safe" and which are less safe" (personally the verticals I OK , the horizontals between two I am not too keen on unless near together and obvious to all). The 150mm (6") to a corner or top of ceiling I do not like but have used them twice in 30 years because no other choice was realistically available).
OK that`s what`s allowed so despite some reservations I will not argue.

However, unless I misinterpret your reply in which case I do apologise, behind skirtings is not allowed and you seem to advocate it if the skirting is relativly easy to remove to check .
How many DIYers or electricians would remove them to check even if they were simply screwed on.
An accident waiting to happen methinks. Unless I missed your point.
A cable behind a skirting, running vertically from a point would be reasonable for anyone to expect, but not horizontally surely.

By the way, the 50mm(2" deep) is another I detest as well.
Who the heck uses screws 50mm or less to fix owt substantial or alternatively is drilling thru a cable 50mm deep any less unsafe as one that is 3mm deep ?







Originally posted by: alectricity















refit new skirtings with removable screw-and-cup fixings.































if the skirting is removable, the cables behind are not embedded in the building fabric, so not subject to zones!
















Unbelievable.








care to expand? (if only to help with the op's query?)


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 09 April 2008 09:21 PM
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billstead

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your not going to hurt it !!!


lift the carpet and hoover after

jobs done
 09 April 2008 09:31 PM
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ebee

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By the way, I was assuming (dangerous practice to assume as it might make an ASS out of U and ME -- LOL) that this was ground floor therefore no lights underneath involved otherwise remove the whole flipping carpet.

What next, how do I rewire my fully furnished house without drilling, chasing/making dust?
PINK GRIP/TRUNKING yer right.

C & G are now running courses in non breaking egg omlette making

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 09 April 2008 10:23 PM
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truss

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Originally posted by: alectricity

for 17th ed, run cables where and however you like,as long as 30mA rcd'd!


I take it the "" in your quote means you are less than serious.

Trussy
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