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Created On: 25 September 2007 11:24 AM
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 25 September 2007 11:24 AM
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eamonnenglish

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hi. i am having some new sockets put into my house and the builders have placed them about 6 inches above the existing height of the current sockets in the room. They played the "new regulations" card.... is there any UK building regulation regarding socket height?
 25 September 2007 11:37 AM
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dan76qld

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Are the sockets in a wet area such as kitchen, bathroom or utility room? There are restrictions in those areas.
 25 September 2007 11:53 AM
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eamonnenglish

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nope. in a living room, sitting room
 25 September 2007 12:09 PM
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http://www.theiet.org/forums/f...key=y&keyword1=height
Found this, among others, with a quick search on "height". If commercial rewire or new-build domestic they are right. If domestic rewire, not.
You may, even if right have to fight your corner against the misapprehensions of the builders and the LABC.

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 25 September 2007 12:36 PM
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as long as the original aren't too low as to damage the flex from the socket you can have them the same height as original new heights are only required in new builds
plus it will look stupid if all at different heights not aesthetically pleasing
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Edited: 25 September 2007 at 12:38 PM by davyn1
 25 September 2007 01:52 PM
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I think I'm becoming more rebellious with age rather than less, but even in a new-build home I object to this sort of level of government intrusion.

It's my house, I should be able to place my sockets at any height I choose.
 25 September 2007 01:55 PM
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BS3036

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I went through this last week on my extension. Part M (page 8) says:
The requirements of this part do not apply to :

a) an extension of or material alteration of a dwelling...

The LABC inspector confirmed this.
 25 September 2007 02:54 PM
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yeah i agree with the my house idea i told the LBC i wont let any non able bodied people in MY house let them buy someone elses house
i dont think there are enough disabled people to justify us all to modify our houses and dont disabled people want to be treated like everyone else??
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 25 September 2007 05:29 PM
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loftyloo

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in a funny way i prefer them at the new height!!! but only if they are all the same height throughout!!!


we are all robots we have to do what we are told!! (thats what the wife says!!





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 25 September 2007 06:23 PM
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ajelectrical

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Originally posted by: dan76qld

Are the sockets in a wet area such as kitchen, bathroom or utility room? There are restrictions in those areas.





A kitchen is a wet area ? So shouldn't we be using IP rated sockets. I have never heard of this 'restriction' you talk about.
Of course if a room is hosed down then you must design accordingly.
Other than that the heights of accessories applies across the board for compliance with Part M ( as far as I am aware)
I don't think specific heights are a requirement of BS7671 even though it is mentioned in the On Site Guide where it points to PartM. 553-01-06 is the only 'regulation' to do with height that I am aware of.
The wiring regs are saying the plug chord needs to be free of the floor so no damage with inserting plug etc. Part M lifted the height for disabled access.
This 450-1200 gives compliance to PartM and is at the same time ok for IEE wiring regs.

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 25 September 2007 07:26 PM
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Part M building regulation in England and Wales

Wall-mounted socket outlets shall be located between 400mm and 1000mm above the floor, with a preference the lower end of the range;

Socket outlets shall be located consistently in relation to doorways and room corners, but in any case no nearer than 350mm from room corners;



Originally posted by: eamonnenglish

hi. i am having some new sockets put into my house and the builders have placed them about 6 inches above the existing height of the current sockets in the room. They played the "new regulations" card.... is there any UK building regulation regarding socket height?


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 25 September 2007 07:53 PM
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BS3036

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At the risk of repeating my previous post, this doesn't apply to existing dwellings, though.
 25 September 2007 08:08 PM
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Dr. Rusdy Hartungi CEng MIET, MSc, MTech, MBA, BEng (Hons)

Seems an odd sequence of post nominals and no PhD or doctorate apparent.

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 25 September 2007 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by: rusdyhartungi

Part M building regulation in England and Wales



Wall-mounted socket outlets shall be located between 400mm and 1000mm above the floor, with a preference the lower end of the range;


if this is page 50 read the top of page
buildings other than dwellings???
the dwellings bit states
8.3 A way of satisfying Requirement
M1 would be to provide switches and
socket outlets for lighting and other
equipment in habitable rooms at
appropriate heights between 450mm
and 1200mm from finished floor level

100mtr swimming cert.all the way to bottom and back

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Edited: 25 September 2007 at 08:25 PM by davyn1
 25 September 2007 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by: perspicacious

Dr. Rusdy Hartungi CEng MIET, MSc, MTech, MBA, BEng (Hons)

Seems an odd sequence of post nominals and no PhD or doctorate apparent.


And no grasp of Part P.

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 26 September 2007 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by: davyn1

100mtr swimming cert.all the way to bottom and back

davy







Brilliant

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 26 September 2007 05:40 PM
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Just to confirm what others have said.
Part M only applies to new build, so have them at whatever height you like.

Originally posted by: ajelectrical
The wiring regs are saying the plug chord needs to be free of the floor so no damage with inserting plug etc.


Interesting that. So floor boxes are banned in houses?

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 26 September 2007 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by: mark2spark




Interesting that. So floor boxes are banned in houses?


No unless the flex would be bent at such an angle as to put stress upon it ie right up against a wall with flex from plug top pointing towards wall or against a desk
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 26 September 2007 10:44 PM
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mark2spark

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Of course.
I was querying the wording about plug top being free of the floor.
For that to occur, one would be mounting the SO on the skirting board, and you would think that a departure from common sense had also occurred for that to happen

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 27 September 2007 09:42 AM
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dcbjbo

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You always have the option of mounting the socket with the earth pin at the bottom if the socket is so near the floor that undue strain would otherwise be applied to the flex.
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