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Topic Title: Test Cert ?
Topic Summary: Meter & board install ?
Created On: 11 January 2015 06:06 PM
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 11 January 2015 06:06 PM
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Ampman

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Evening ,

I installed a extra 3 phase DB adjacent a exisiting one ,

I installed 2 x meters from henly blocks

I dragged some circuits out of the orginal D/B 7 installed into the new D/B . & reconnected .

Can i issue a minor works for this ?

Original install was completed in 2013

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 11 January 2015 06:08 PM
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peteTLM

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No.

Since when can you install a DB on a minor works?

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 11 January 2015 06:09 PM
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spinlondon

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No.
 11 January 2015 06:19 PM
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Manxie

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You can but it would be wholly wrong
 11 January 2015 06:20 PM
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Ampman

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Why ?

i have not used anything different ive moved mcbs out of one board & install into another ,

ive not had to joint any cables they all reached ,

ive not installed any circuits ,

only disconnect & re-connect ,

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the new meter tails to & between the meters to boards etc ( i suppose thats classed as a new circuit ) ?
 11 January 2015 06:37 PM
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spinlondon

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An EIC can be used for any electrical work.
We are allowed to use a MEIWC instead of an EIC, for the alteration or extension of a single circuit.
 11 January 2015 06:37 PM
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peteTLM

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A minor cert is for MINOR works, such as extending an existing circuit, changing accessories etc.

We're not really concerned with the meter tails, as they are short and barely count as a distribution circuit.
Why the objection to using the correct paperwork? As you say its only 1 circuit, im sure your black biro will make it that far.....

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 11 January 2015 06:39 PM
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spinlondon

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It's not just the one circuit though.
 11 January 2015 06:48 PM
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Ampman

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About 10 circuits ,

Ive used same make distribution board & re-used the same mcbs i took out of the existing one s ,

Just moved over circuits so why should i now go around the building testing ?
 11 January 2015 06:51 PM
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Ampman

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if im going to test

can i just test zs ? & omit the meggar testing & r1 + r2 , ??

it not allowed to have a limitation on a EIC cert is it ?

Testing side of things whos really going to disconnect 20 x light fittings to meggar test lets be honest , ?

i will make up a EIC so it looks like i did it LOL

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 11 January 2015 07:04 PM
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Manxie

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Trying a bit of Sunday night fishing hey
 11 January 2015 07:04 PM
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Ampman

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Still not getting it ( Maybe its cos ive done a full weekend working doing this job its got to me )

But surely im not going to become reponsible for the electrical installation in this building ?
 11 January 2015 07:07 PM
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Ampman

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Yes fishing all the way ,

i find maggots work best .
 11 January 2015 07:07 PM
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Ampman

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any bites
 11 January 2015 07:07 PM
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spinlondon

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You are required to test and inspect the work you have conducted.
If you wish to make up test results for work that you have not conducted, carry on.
 11 January 2015 07:08 PM
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peteTLM

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i will make up a EIC so it looks like i did it LOL

Oh dear.

Why would you disconnect the light fittings then? L+N to earth is acceptable when testing in this instance. Its not a 3bed house, i take its a commercial building of some size?

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 11 January 2015 07:29 PM
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davezawadi

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And you don't like my writings?
This is just a tiny bit of proof of my words.
Go on - am I right?

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 11 January 2015 07:46 PM
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aligarjon

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i would use the dead test results from the original eicr. plus my new Zdb and my own l/n-e ins/res results. i would not be disconnecting someone elses work unnecessarily. state on cert what you have done and why.

Gary

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 11 January 2015 07:51 PM
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Paradigm

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The problem is Dave, and I am being really honest here and this is not an attack, is that your writings come across as pompous rantings

Maybe if you changed your delivery method you would get a more positive response, just saying!

Nick

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 11 January 2015 07:55 PM
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Ampman

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Right i agree ,

i will do an EIC ,

Just still seems over the top , there are 2 air conditioning units that ive re-connected into my new board ,

problem is they are inaccessable for testing , too high on outside of building ,

Fire alarm panel , no local spur am i to dismantle panel to test ?

am i to test the board ive removed circuits from as i could of disturbed a earth that may have fell out ?

no because ive made sure that everything was left connected like my new board ,

cheers
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