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Topic Title: Customer Insists on NICEIC
Topic Summary: Insurance Issue
Created On: 05 October 2017 05:21 PM
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 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Igot3ears - 05 October 2017 05:21 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 05 October 2017 06:50 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Igot3ears - 05 October 2017 07:10 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Jaymack - 06 October 2017 02:42 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 05 October 2017 07:18 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 08 October 2017 07:48 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Alcomax - 08 October 2017 08:14 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 08 October 2017 08:31 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Alcomax - 05 October 2017 08:11 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - spinlondon - 06 October 2017 04:55 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - davezawadi - 06 October 2017 09:10 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 06 October 2017 04:52 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 06 October 2017 11:42 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - AJJewsbury - 07 October 2017 07:31 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Igot3ears - 07 October 2017 03:02 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - spinlondon - 08 October 2017 01:27 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - jonny705 - 07 October 2017 04:15 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 07 October 2017 04:26 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 07 October 2017 09:47 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 07 October 2017 11:32 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 08 October 2017 12:30 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 08 October 2017 10:34 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 08 October 2017 06:16 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 08 October 2017 06:22 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 08 October 2017 10:36 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 08 October 2017 04:12 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - OlympusMons - 08 October 2017 01:48 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - geoffsd - 08 October 2017 04:33 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 08 October 2017 05:25 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Alcomax - 08 October 2017 06:10 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 08 October 2017 07:01 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - dgmeica - 09 October 2017 08:15 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 09 October 2017 12:44 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - Alcomax - 09 October 2017 01:32 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - psychicwarrior - 10 October 2017 08:52 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 10 October 2017 10:22 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - leckie - 10 October 2017 09:07 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 13 October 2017 08:27 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - davezawadi - 13 October 2017 10:31 AM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 13 October 2017 01:00 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 13 October 2017 01:03 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - stuff - 13 October 2017 08:18 PM  
 Customer Insists on NICEIC   - sparkingchip - 13 October 2017 09:58 PM  
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 05 October 2017 07:18 PM
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geoffsd

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Oh, sorry, I thought you meant that they would not allow your scheme to do the work.

In that case, I don't think there is much you can do about it - apart from join NIC.
 08 October 2017 07:48 PM
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sparkingchip

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Originally posted by: geoffsd

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant that they would not allow your scheme to do the work.



In that case, I don't think there is much you can do about it - apart from join NIC.


I agree with Geoff, at the end of the day who does the electrical work is up to the client and their insurer.

They may end up with a lower standard of work after changing contractors, but they will have certificates with logos on them!

Andy B.
 08 October 2017 08:14 PM
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Alcomax

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Without trying to be too precise on the wording, originally a NICEIC inspector arrived with a set of NICEIC test equipment to undertake a inspection and test of a sample of the contractors work, now they assess a representative of the contractor and a sample of the contractors' work.


I can only call on experience of the procedure as far back as 1985 ish, the "representative" was then a "qualifying manager". Absolutely not would the Inspector do any testing or even have test equipment. They were more interested in lunch. The bigger the lunch the better.

Very very occasionally they would show off the latest gadget, but usually something non invasive like a clamp meter or loop tester. As now, it was the trading entity via the medium of the representative, that was assessed. The representative [ then QM , now QS ] notionally had to satisfy certain minimum requirements of competency else were subject to a re visit. So the revisit could be either due to the QM/ QS not being up to the task or the sample of work not meeting standards....or both.


Edit to add...

The point I raised that has not been challenged is that the assessments are of installation work, not of EICRs, so how is the quality of EICRs being monitored?



You can be Nicey AC for periodic inspections only and that would be you assessment.

If your are a Nicey DI, then no periodic inspection monitoring.

If your are AC and do periodic inspections, a sample would be assessed.

As for "quality" that is a whole different matter.

Edited: 08 October 2017 at 08:21 PM by Alcomax
 08 October 2017 08:31 PM
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leckie

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That is correct Alcomax, the assessment process is basically the same as it has been for the last 35 years. The assessor does nothing proactive. They check your paperwork, your required technical books, regs, Gn3, EAWR, etc, meters, list of work.....

My last three assessments have concentrated on industrial/commercial EICR's that I have carried out, plus a little bit of work.

My view on all of this is that the NICEIC is the most recognised body and that commercially they are at the moment the most logical choice. But then I think of a business as being something to make money from and that is the basis of my viewpoint. Its not that the NICEIC is the be all and end all, its that they have the most gravitas in our industry at this time.

The OP made a decision to leave the NICEIC because an assessment was made that it did not offer enough additional benefit. But now that has been found to be not completely true. Have I understood that correctly?
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