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Created On: 23 May 2017 08:28 PM
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 01 October 2017 09:55 PM
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mapj1

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Its clearly intended for use with T and E and no further effort, and the addition or omission of sleeving is a not really an issue, as the cores is totally enclosed.
On a slightly off-beat note as it is the Eire version of T and E that is sleeved, I assume it wont have the reduced CPC.
I cant really see a problem (except perhaps rarity and cost) for using it in the UK too, but I assume for now, no one does.

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 02 October 2017 10:01 AM
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AJJewsbury

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Is the end result a good standard of installation?

I agree there's probably not a physical problem (other than perhaps not being able to visually verify correct polarity) - but it's difficult to claim BS 7671 compliance given the regs are worded as they are (both 514.3 and last paragraph of 543.3.201). BS 7671 does of course allow for 'new innovations' but the requirement for the designer to vouch for the departure on the certificate is likely to be off-putting to many.

I suspect the best solution would be an amendment to 543.3.201 and perhaps 514.3 - I wonder if quickwire took the opportunity to suggest something suitable under the 18th DPC?

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 02 October 2017 08:02 PM
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OlympusMons

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re 543.3.201 last para, where is the sheath removed ADJACENT to the joint or termination?
 03 October 2017 09:02 AM
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AJJewsbury

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re 543.3.201 last para, where is the sheath removed ADJACENT to the joint or termination?

er, yes?
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 03 October 2017 06:48 PM
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RB1981

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Originally posted by: mapj1

On a slightly off-beat note as it is the Eire version of T and E that is sleeved, I assume it wont have the reduced CPC.

I cant really see a problem (except perhaps rarity and cost) for using it in the UK too, but I assume for now, no one does.


My understanding is that I.S. 201 cable is not a recognised cable type within BS7671 and therefore shouldn't be used. Unfortunately this means for me that I have a stock of both cable types depending whether I am working near home or a whopping mile-and-a-half away over in the European Union.

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 03 October 2017 06:54 PM
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sparkingchip

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It will only get worse!
 03 October 2017 07:11 PM
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RB1981

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LOL. Well I suspect that over time it may become a recognised cable. But then again I may be wrong. I can assure you that you wouldn't want to be paying for it - it's around 30% dearer than BS T&E.

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 03 October 2017 07:57 PM
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sparkingchip

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More copper, more plastic, but surely it has a larger market?

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 03 October 2017 08:30 PM
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RB1981

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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

More copper, more plastic, but surely it has a larger market?



Andy


No - it has a tiny market. Irish Standard 201 cable is, to my knowledge, not the same as any other cable type now. (That said I am sure there are very similar cable constructions in some other countries.)

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 03 October 2017 08:47 PM
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sparkingchip

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I thought it was a European product used throughout the EU, apart from the UK with its inferior twin and earth.
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RB1981

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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

I thought it was a European product used throughout the EU, apart from the UK with its inferior twin and earth.


NYM-J and similar would be a commonly used product throughout Europe, but I'm not sure about any T&E variant. (NYM-J is widely used in the south of Ireland as well.) Singles in kopex is another common continental method I'm led to believe.

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 03 October 2017 10:17 PM
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AJJewsbury

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My understanding is that I.S. 201 cable is not a recognised cable type within BS7671 and therefore shouldn't be used.

BS 7671 recognises the use of equipment that complies with the appropriate standards of another country where no BS or EN applies - see reg 133.1.1.
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 03 October 2017 10:34 PM
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RB1981

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Originally posted by: AJJewsbury

My understanding is that I.S. 201 cable is not a recognised cable type within BS7671 and therefore shouldn't be used.


BS 7671 recognises the use of equipment that complies with the appropriate standards of another country where no BS or EN applies - see reg 133.1.1.

- Andy.


Yes, indeed I am aware of that. However, let's not forget the controversy over whether SY, CY and YY cables are permissible within a BS7671 installation as they are to VDE (I think) standards. In fact, even some IET guidance suggests that they are not.

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