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Topic Summary: How to deal with Accountability Diagram
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 13 October 2012 11:16 PM
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BilalQureshi

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Dear all,

While completing C.Eng application. I am wondering how to deal with Accountability Diagram.

Please suggest me how to complete this section.

Regards,
Bilal

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Bilal
 12 November 2012 11:34 AM
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Witch1

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Hello Bilal

The purpose of the accountability diagram is to show where you sit and at what level your peers are.

I recommend that you use one or two levels above and below and ensure that you specify their qualifications and professional status where possible. If you are sat at the same level as other CEngs then it is more likely that you are operating at CEng level.

If you have 100 subordinates for example then you would appear to hit much of competency C by the level you are operating. If this is the case then I suggest that you roll your subordinates into groups rather than list 100 people (eg. 25 analysts at CEng status, 75 engineers at Engtech status etc).

If you request a PRA then they will help you with the accountability diagram as part of their advice.

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Mike Green

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Mike Green MSc (Distn) CEng FIET
 20 November 2012 07:08 PM
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mbirdi

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What if you're working in a world class organisation with around 200 staff in your division. The only CEng is the Director of the whole dividion, but you're working alongside staff at graduate level? Those who are in the management class want to manage people and projects. Those below them are highly skilled technical specialists without whom the whole place would fall to pieces.

I suppose that would disqualify the techies from applying for CEng hey?

I wish the CEngs in this establishment would run the IET just for CEngs so that we could all see how long the IET survives on its own.
 21 November 2012 10:59 PM
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gkenyon

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Originally posted by: mbirdi

What if you're working in a world class organisation with around 200 staff in your division. The only CEng is the Director of the whole dividion, but you're working alongside staff at graduate level? Those who are in the management class want to manage people and projects. Those below them are highly skilled technical specialists without whom the whole place would fall to pieces.



I suppose that would disqualify the techies from applying for CEng hey?



I wish the CEngs in this establishment would run the IET just for CEngs so that we could all see how long the IET survives on its own.
Thanks for the constructive criticism.

We all need to understand that there are different "levels" in everything, and become comfortable with ourselves and achievements.

That's why some people with no qualifications earn farm more than CEng's (for example) - but it doesn't mean that CEng doesn't (and shouldn't) exist?

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Eur Ing Graham Kenyon CEng MIET TechIOSH
 22 November 2012 09:43 AM
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amillar

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I think this one has always appeared to be a bigger problem than it really is. When I became CEng I had no-one working for me, and the same with several people who I have supported through CEng. You would expect a CEng to be taking management responsibility for significant work, but that doesn't mean they have to be a line manager.

CMgr is management recognition (I must do that one day), CEng is engineering leadership recognition.

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Andy Millar CEng MIET CMgr MCMI

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 17 December 2012 11:31 AM
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Witch1

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In my opinion, the accountability diagram is just another tool in the box for assessment. If you can demonstrate that you have experience in all 5 competency areas then you should achieve your CEng. The diagram helps the assessor to see where you sit. We have CEngs with no staff but they have demonstrated strong engineering leadership at some point in their career so are capable. You can also lead without direct reports in a matrix organisation for example.

Assessors are given varying quality of information from the candidates and have to make a decision based on it. This is the reason for requesting education information for exmaple. If you hold a relevant Masters then you have demonstrated Masters level learning but that doesnt mean that there are not other ways to demonstrate it. It isnt all about one part of the application form but a way of helping a candidate to shape their application in a clear and succinct way.

One final point is not to confuse leadership and management. Both are separate skills and the assessors know to look for that. (point well made by Andy Millar).

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Mike Green MSc (Distn) CEng FIET
 12 February 2013 10:05 AM
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BilalQureshi

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Hi,

I worked at three different places in last five years. Do I need to make accountability diagram for each of my job ?

If yes than this means one accountability diagram for each job.

Regards,
Bilal

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Bilal
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