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 04 January 2011 01:45 PM
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Aitken1953

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If one was to accomplish I Eng or C Eng the Technical Report Route or Mature Candidates Route etc, would colleges/unis give them credits towards a degree / masters degree /
 04 January 2011 08:15 PM
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faisal18may1982

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You may wish to raise the question with the uni / college.

But one would have thought, the answer to be no.
 04 January 2011 09:17 PM
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It may, however, count towards the possibility of you undertaking a "PhD wihtout a Masters", or a "Masters without a Degree", though.

That doesn't mean you have an "equivalent qualification" in academic terms, though.

And it does depend on the details of your work, and the provenance of any "professional service" activities you might be involved with.

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 05 January 2011 11:51 AM
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tonysung

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Originally posted by: Aitken1953

If one was to accomplish I Eng or C Eng the Technical Report Route or Mature Candidates Route etc, would colleges/unis give them credits towards a degree / masters degree /


My view is:

1. An IEng is an equivalent academic achievement to an ordinary BEng Degree. Normally he/she can gain direct entry into the final year of a BEng (Honours) degree or if coupled with considerable senior design/management experience, he/she may be admitted onto a Postgraduate Diploma course that if he/she achieves the pass mark of an MSc be allowed to upgrade to an MSc with no loss in time.

2. A CEng is an equivalent academic achievement to a BEng (Honours) degree. He/she can gain direct entry to pursue a MSc or MBA or MPhil degree.

However, both IEng or CEng cannot claim exemption to any taught subjects or courseworks in either BEng, BEng (Honours) or MSc/MBA courses. This is because IEng and CEng are based on overall competency not on specific subjects.

Hope the above helps.

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Tony Sung
 05 January 2011 02:12 PM
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roybowdler

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It is always difficult to assess equivalence and accreditation of prior learning, credit transfer and credit value (such as NQF) have had much attention over the years. Unfortunately when different measurement criteria are applied, different conclusions can be drawn from the same piece of evidence.

The "routes" referred to by the questioner are somewhat misleading and out of date, although the IET does apply the "Technical Report" section of Engineering Council Regulations when assessing experienced engineers, who may lack an accredited qualification.

When the IET asks someone to supply a "report" it is because the evidence presented by their registration application is insufficient. A common situation is where someone appears to be practising as a competent engineer, but the evidence of underpinning knowledge and understanding is unclear. A report is one of the ways in which IET assessors can satisfy themselves that the appropriate knowledge exists. However this process is intended to enable comparison with other experienced engineers, not to examine the syllabus of a specific degree course in detail.

A number of universities specialise in providing academic credit for work-based learning and this would be the best starting point for detailed advice. Portsmouth University is particularly prominent in this respect. The universities signed up to Engineering Gateways also make extensive use of work practice in assessment.

Based on experience of reports submitted, a substantial minority could easily be adapted into an academic submission. If the reverse logic is applied many learned papers, reports, patents or similar could also be used to support a professional registration application.

A large number of learning providers including universities offer some form of advanced standing, on the basis of an existing professional registration, as evidence of achievement.

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Roy Bowdler IEng FIET FCIPD
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 15 April 2013 06:52 AM
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There is always the City And Guilds accredited professional recognition diploma.
IEng can apply directly and get Graduatship GCGI of City and Guilds. This is equated to BEng (Hon) degree.
CEng can apply for and earn MCGI - equated to Masters degree in Engineering.

In addition to Royal Charter the LCGI, GCGI, MCGI are also accredited by OfQual accredited qualifications which enable candidates to demonstrate their knowledge and skills within any sector or role. Those achieving these awards will be entitled to use an appropriate, internationally recognised post-nominal: Licentiateship (LCGI), Affiliateship (AfCGI), Graduateship (GCGI) and Membership (MCGI).
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roybowdler

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Please be aware that although a City & Guilds senior award (LCGI, GCGI, MCGI) can be obtained by Technician, IEng & CEng registrants administratively, vice-versa does not apply. When assessing an application for professional registration the IET would want to understand exactly what achievement led to the award and how this relates to UK-SPEC requirements. In the case of IEng and CEng this involves a detailed peer review process and interview. Technician registration does not require an IET interview (it is an option) and certain City & Guilds qualifications can provide ideal evidence, but there is still a requirement to illustrate competent practice as defined by UK-SPEC.

Professional institutions accredit or approve specific programmes , regulated by Engineering Council. We can therefore be sure that every person with an accredited qualification or having followed an approved programme has demonstrated a specific standard. Other courses or awards for achievement may offer similar value, but each has to be considered on an individual basis.

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Roy Bowdler IEng FIET FCIPD
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 30 April 2013 07:55 PM
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I found that these awards are great for ENgTech, IEng and CEng who earned their registration by mature adult rout or technical report rout or simply got their degree from non English speaking country fron school without name recognition.
They usually don't have an accredited (EngC) degree.

In USA for example GCGI is officially recognized and evaluated as equivalent to Bachelors(Hon) Degree in Engineering from Regionally Accredited University.
The same for MCGI - As Masters of Engineering etc.

When applying for employment it can be disadvantage if the applicant competes against persons who earned degrees.

Having LCGI, GCGI or MCGI fills this gap.
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