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 18 November 2012 02:23 PM
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collinspk

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Hi all

Hope this is helpful

I am delighted to inform you of an exciting development for NICEIC. You do not need to do anything regarding your registration as a result of the changes detailed below.

The Electrical Contractors Association (ECA), which owns ELECSA; and the consumer charity the Electrical Safety Council (ESC), which owns NICEIC; have established a joint venture to create unity and clarity for the industry and the consumer.

In joining forces I believe we will have a stronger voice as we ndeavour to influence government and major stakeholders to serve and promote our industry.

The partnership will also bring many benefits to NICEIC customers. The first of which is the creation of the Electrical Safety Register. The Register will become the definitive searchable database of registered contractors and will be promoted to thousands of specifiers by the ECA and the ESC.

By virtue of your NICEIC registration, you will automatically be included on the Register which can be found at ww.electricalsafetyregister.com.

In the meantime, your NICEIC registration continues as normal. You will still receive the same service from the same customer service, assessment and technical teams.

We appreciate the value you place on the NICEIC brand so the new Electrical Safety Register will be promoted alongside NICEIC.

Enclosed is a vehicle sticker that you can start using today if you wish.
The best part is you don't need to do anything to enjoy the benefits this exciting new partnership will bring. We are committed to keeping you updated as things progress.

Your continued support is important to us. I hope you will find the development of the Register a positive move and I am sure you will agree that this announcement heralds the beginning of an exciting new era for the electrical contracting industry.

If you have any questions about the Electrical Safety Register, or if you are keen to start promoting it, please contact us for further information. You can call us on 0870 013 0382, by email at enquiries@niceic.com or log on to www.niceic.com.

Chief Executive Officer, NICEIC


There are a series of FAQ's as well -

Frequently Asked Questions

We've included some questions and answers you may have about the launch of the Electrical Safety Register:

Q So what do I do now? Do I need to get in touch with NICEIC?
A No. You don't have to do anything. Nothing has changed in terms
of your enrolment or registration. You are still fully registered with
NICEIC and all rules relating to your registration still apply. Your Area
Engineer will not change.

Q Why has this joint venture taken place?
A We've researched and listened to electricians, government,
specifiers and consumers. We're determined to promote you to as
many people as possible, making it easier for people who need an
electrician to find you and we believe the partnership between the
ECA and the ESC will join up the industry as never before, giving
the electrical contracting industry a stronger voice to government
and major stakeholders.
The Electrical Safety Register website will be live on November 19th
and from April 2013 NICEIC and ELECSA will be jointly owned by
the industry's trade association, ECA, and the consumer safety
charity, the ESC. This means that electrical contractors and those
dedicated to standards and safety are truly working together to
deliver the very best service to you.
Today we are committing to:
. promote you to your customers and help build your business
. provide excellent customer service by listening and being fair
. help you technically and raise standards across the sector
. provide simple, cost effective, quality and relevant services.

Q Will the NICEIC brand still be continuing?
A Yes, the NICEIC Domestic Installer scheme and Approved Contractor
scheme are unaffected.
NICEIC's website www.niceic.com remains your first port of call as
a registered contractor, whether a Domestic Installer or Approved
Contractor.
As an extra benefit, NICEIC Approved Contractors and NICEIC
Domestic Installers will also now be listed on the Electrical Safety
Register website, www.electricalsafetyregister.com.
We intend that the Register will become the definitive resource for
anyone looking for an electrician. As such, the Register will be
widely promoted to consumers and specifiers of electrical
contracting work.
We will be listening to the reaction of our customers and specifiers
as we develop this partnership and we welcome your comments at
enquiries@niceic.com.

Q Will my registration fee change?
A We want to bring parity between what NICEIC Domestic Installer
registrants pay for registration to what those registered with the
ELECSA scheme pay. Currently there is a £9 difference between
NICEIC and ELECSA based upon on Direct Debit payments. We will
ensure that the fees are aligned to the lower figure as soon as
possible. We will communicate with those affected by this change.
NICEIC Approved Contractor fees remain the same.

Q As an NICEIC customer can I now have an ELECSA sticker on my van?
A No, as you are registered with NICEIC you should continue to display
your NICEIC logo as per the Scheme rules.
The new Electrical Safety Register logo highlights that NICEIC and
ELECSA registrants as well as ECA members can be found in one
place for ease and convenience.
Once you log onto www.electricalsafetyregister.com you will see
that it is very clear which scheme you are registered with.

Q Does this mean I am an ECA member too?
A You do not automatically become a member of the ECA. However as
part of the benefits of the joint venture your certificate of
assessment with NICEIC or ELECSA is a valid entry qualification.
More details on how to join the ECA are available at www.eca.co.uk.

Q Will there be any change to my annual assessment?
A No. Any confirmed dates for annual assessments will go ahead as
planned and you will be assessed by an NICEIC assessor against
the rules of the NICEIC scheme you are registered with. You will still
be assessed under the rules of registration as agreed.

Q What benefits can I expect to see from this new venture?
A The first is the creation of the Electrical Safety Register - the
definitive searchable database of registered electrical contractors
which will be promoted to hundreds of thousands of homeowners
and commercial and industrial specifiers.
The new venture also commits to promote your business on
www.niceic.com and over time give you access to more products
and services to help you grow your business.
Over the coming months we will tell you about even more benefits
for you and your business.

Q How do the ELECSA and NICEIC schemes compare?
A The ELECSA scheme is very similar to the NICEIC Domestic Installer
scheme. Both are operated to the highest standards and in
adherence with government guidelines for the good of the
electrical contracting industry.

Q Can ELECSA members now claim to be NICEIC registered?
A No. They are still registered with the ELECSA scheme and the rules
relating to these continue to apply. NICEIC members cannot claim
to be ELECSA registered and ELECSA customers cannot claim to be
NICEIC registered.

Q What should I tell my customers?
A Nothing has changed with your customers. You are still an NICEIC
registered contractor and they can now find you on the Electrical
Safety Register website. We will be producing material for our
customers on the Electrical Safety Register and what it means.

Q Do I have to replace the NICEIC stickers on my van with the new sticker?
A You do not have to do this. However placing the free sticker
included with this letter on your van would be a good way of
showing your business is being promoted on the Electrical Safety
Register.

Q Will customers still be able to locate my firm under the 'Find a
Contactor' function of the NICEIC website?
A Yes. This has not changed.

Q Can I put the Electrical Safety Register logo on my website /
letterhead?
A Yes.

Q Can I get more Electrical Safety Register van stickers?
A Yes, the logo will be downloadable in the secure area of the
www.niceic.com website.

Q Will any of the telephone numbers or email addresses change?
A No, these will not change.

Q Will ELECSA customers be able to use NICEIC branded certificates?

A No, but we will be working towards making the certification process
easier.

Q Will I need to change the certificates I use?
A No.

Q If I want to get further information, who should I contact?
A All of our contact details are the same. You can call us on
0870 013 0382, by email at enquiries@niceic.com or log on to
www.niceic.com.
 18 November 2012 02:41 PM
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RnR will be delighted you have a new sticker to put on your van, we haven't got that far yet!

"a joint venture to create unity and clarity for the industry and the consumer."

Yes, of course it is!

Andy
 18 November 2012 05:35 PM
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I am delighted to inform you of an exciting development for us


We have established a joint venture to create unity and clarity for the industry and the consumer.


In the meantime, your registration continues as normal. You will still receive the same service from the same customer service, assessment and technical teams.


The best part is you don't need to do anything to enjoy the benefits this exciting new partnership will bring. We are committed to keeping you updated as things progress.


hmmm

I've heard something along those lines when RBS attempted to hop into bed with Santandar. Needless to say I'm just a little cynical about any link up regarding 'it will be good for you and our customers' where other organizations are left out in the cold. and indicates some level of corporate take over strategy...

So any national trade/consumer safe register must include all interested parties and not be corporate in its strategy otherwise it will appear to be somewhat in conflict with its own aims and divisive

But then why am I telling you what you lot know already....


Legh

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 18 November 2012 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

RnR will be delighted you have a new sticker to put on your van, we haven't got that far yet!

Andy


LOL Have not seen many in the South and South West like I have seen a few months ago when based in the London area, do make me chuckle though.

Anyway I think we have got past the 'City and Guilds Wireless Doorbell Design and Installation Service' LOL

'I am now registered with Electric Safe so I must be safe'

I do feel sorry for you guys when your representatives always seem to take it out on you when they dont get their own way.

How about,

Because, for eight years running we have rejected your scheme's calls for total registration or licencing they have created a back door method of pseudo registration by creating an electricsafe-register to dupe the consumer into believing you are all 'electric safe'. Dont underestimate the consumer. does that sum it up!!

At the end of the day 99.9% of you (registered or not) go out there every day work hard and serve the needs of your valued customers safely, earn a bit of cash to pay the bills and keep your family in a reasonable lifestyle, we fully recognise that and you are not the problem but everything else around you is.

There may be rumours and claims of I know someone who knows someone but at the moment the issues have been taken up by 'Mr Common-sense' and 'Mr De-regulate everything' so all is still quiet on the Westminster Front.

regards

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Edited: 18 November 2012 at 07:26 PM by rocknroll
 19 November 2012 12:43 PM
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John Peckham

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I received my letter this morning with my nice van sticker. Just need to buy a van now!

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 19 November 2012 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by: John Peckham

I received my letter this morning with my nice van sticker. Just need to buy a van now!


This is what you are looking for. You can carry all of your instruments in there......

Legh

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 19 November 2012 01:38 PM
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LOL I could do with some stickers for all over my car, bit pi$$ed because whilst I was away they took my metallic charcoal grey Mondeo away and left me with a bloody white thing, costs me about £18 a week to get it cleaned three times, got it cleaned yesterday during a trip to Currys in Torquay, came along the A30 this morning amongst all the crappy weather and guess what ******** filthy again. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

regards

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leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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 19 November 2012 02:46 PM
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If I saw a clean white car in my mirror whilst driving on the A30, I'd be slowing down (a lot) and thinking it was plod - if you keep cleaning it like that, they'll think you're a grockle not a native -

OMS

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 19 November 2012 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by: OMS

If I saw a clean white car in my mirror whilst driving on the A30, I'd be slowing down (a lot) and thinking it was plod - if you keep cleaning it like that, they'll think you're a grockle not a native -

OMS


LOL

regards

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 19 November 2012 05:56 PM
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I note in the letter from the NICEIC we are now called "customers" that may indicate a change of relationship?

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 19 November 2012 10:04 PM
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Emma and her mates want to be careful I worked for a house building company in Cheltenham that took over a smaller firm whose management pushed out the management of the larger firm and ended up running the whole set up.

Andy
 23 November 2012 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

Emma and her mates want to be careful I worked for a house building company in Cheltenham that took over a smaller firm whose management pushed out the management of the larger firm and ended up running the whole set up.



Andy


i had my new van sticker through in the week, nice and tightly folded in half leaving a lovely crease , so pretty useless .

on the bright side i don't want another sticker on my van, otherwise customers my confuse in for a consumer unit.

Gary

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 23 November 2012 10:04 AM
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This sad situation, only serves to demonstrate the true motive behind the lack of a common front in the interests of the consumer. As so-called professional electrical organisations, one would think that they would not wish to be blatanly seen to demonstrate the real motive ............ market share and money!

On the face of it, it seems that the organisation that was acting in a professional manner, was NAPIT.

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 23 November 2012 10:33 AM
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On the face of it, it seems that the organisation that was acting in a professional manner, was NAPIT


Not being a member of any of the clubs and perhaps being just a little objective, I would agree Jaymack

Too many corporate jobs and expense accounts at stake in some of them to take any of it seriously.

Perhaps the best that can be said for the whole shabby affair is the true colours are now nailed very firmly to the relevant masts

regards

OMS

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