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 27 January 2009 09:05 PM
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darrenscruton

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Hi all,
just after some advice on test sheets.
I have just joined the niceic apporved shceme to get a new contract, this will be commercial but I still mainly do domestic.

I am just about to place an order for test sheets, does anybody know if there is much difference between the Installation and the Domestic Installation
or between the Periodic or the Domestic periodic
as most the information surely must be simmilar.

Also what info goes on the domestic visual condition sheets, I understand that it is information about the visual condition but why offer a continuation sheet can you not get much on them.

Any info will be recieved gratefully.
 27 January 2009 09:14 PM
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Domestic installation is landscape, Regular is Portrait with a few additional boxes AFAIK.

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 27 January 2009 09:23 PM
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alancapon

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For NICEIC,the certificates that anyone can buy are green ink, the DI ones are purple ink, and the Approved Contractors certificates are red ink.


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 27 January 2009 09:29 PM
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I remember buying some green ones a few years ago ha! what a joke they basically say you are not qualified at the top of every sheet - just what your customers need to read!

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 27 January 2009 09:31 PM
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But of course you dont have to use them at all, just use your regular ones... why waste your money...

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 27 January 2009 09:35 PM
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Here here why even bother with the nic you don't need em or there paperwork or fees etc etc..........

The clients that ask "are you registered with....." don't even know who they are

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 27 January 2009 09:53 PM
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daveparry1

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What about when you do a notifiable job then, d/b change, re-wire, work in a kitchen or bathroom etc, you then have to go through all that BC palarver.
 27 January 2009 09:56 PM
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I avoid domestic at all costs.

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 27 January 2009 09:59 PM
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daveparry1

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OK Martyn, I didn't think of that!
 27 January 2009 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Martynduerden

I avoid domestic at all costs.



Well, yes, but times are hard, and noses aren't being turned up at the lower league work as much.

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 27 January 2009 10:17 PM
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Have a look yourself here.

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 27 January 2009 10:21 PM
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ebee

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as an AC or DI you are not required to use their forms, why not use the generic IEE (IET) ones instead?

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 27 January 2009 10:26 PM
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daveparry1

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Looks so much better to the customer though, and you also have a copy.
 28 January 2009 12:03 AM
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I think NIC forms look cheap... essentially it tells me that the person issuing the cert relies on a third party to give credence to the work carried out. I am with NICEIC and only use my own branded certs (using software granted) but its my company and my branding.. why on earth would you want to publisise another branding for your work... makes no sense to me at all.. U can put a small NIC logo ont he cert still if you really want to .... I simply don like the practice at all....

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 28 January 2009 07:00 AM
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normcall

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IET forms, add your own letter head and problem solved - well almost. Test results are landscape and you can't mix portrait and landscape in the same document in open office.
I just produce two documents , convert to PDF and merge, problem is solved.

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 29 January 2009 12:21 AM
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lesboard

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I have been an NIC EIC contractor for many years. They often make minor changes to the forms and insist you cannot use old ones e.g replacing 'manager' with 'supervisor' and, now, for 17th ed. So you end up with lots of barely used pads. Also if you make a mistake that's a whole form wasted. Finally, the yellow copy sheet cannot be photocopied, so if the customer loses theirs you cannot even give them a copy.

We now use Easycert software (not NIC EIC approved) and on the PDF option the whole form (same layout as NIC EIC forms) can be printed on a blank sheet of paper (for customers who don't insist on an NIC EIC form with an official number). However the best thing is that you can put 'unapproved' entries in, for example, test results schedule, such as 'too dangerous to test'. Approved versions such as Amtech will only let you enter figures under the test results.

 29 January 2009 08:34 AM
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daveparry1

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>Also if you make a mistake that's a whole form wasted <

What's wrong with tipex then?
 30 January 2009 01:18 PM
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downey

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the 17th nic schedule and test certs have now reduced to an annoying 23 lines insted of the 16th edition 24 line sheets, so if your writing say an 8way tp&n board up you have to use a continuation sheet for the last circuit. more money what a bomber
 30 January 2009 01:43 PM
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perspicacious

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"Easycert software (not NIC EIC approved)"
"Approved versions such as Amtech"

I think that the NICEIC no longer approve any software.

Could you get Amtech to confirm their "approved" status is valid and current?

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