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 27 December 2006 08:14 AM
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ousme

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i like to know what you guys think of the C&G 2351? i done that course at FCOT but i feel cheated. most of people { only 2 colleges or employers} dont know about it. for 2391 course they say i need 2381. only barnet & bromley colleges can take me.i called C&G they said i dont need to take 2381 to enrole on 2391.i dont understand why they called it 2351 when they say it is an advance course than 236, because u use the reg.bol***oks.thanks for any comment

Edited: 27 December 2006 at 09:23 AM by ousme
 27 December 2006 08:31 AM
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In my opinion, it might be the C & G don`t insist that you have 2381 to take the 2391 but your college might be filtering out possible problems with their pass rate by insisting that you have it or an equivalent or are undertaking them.
Sorry I can`t comment about the 2351

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 27 December 2006 02:03 PM
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Wango

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I'd be interested to know of anyone that has had to prove they had 2381 when they applied for 2391.

I have seen in the small print words to the effect but at any stage, did anyone have to show their certificate?

Don't know of 2351. Did a search on the internet and no hits for a relevant C&G 2351.

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 27 December 2006 03:15 PM
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ousme

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can u see now when i said i feel cheated? farnborough college of technology is not running the 2351 anymore. so i need the 2391 to have a bit of weight on my cv. i have to explain what is my certificate in detail on my cv .3 years of knowledge of electrical installation.i needed only to learn about the reg on that course. what a waste. i had already years of experience [90% outside uk]. in my class some people manage to fail the 4 unit of 2351.
 27 December 2006 04:33 PM
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stevendoust

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The C&G introduced the 2351 some years ago to run alongside the NVQ Level 3. It was modular in eight sections. It was the underpininning knowledge (theory) for the NVQ. It was considered to be a very 'simplified' version of the 2360 introduced in order to get the pass rate up amongst those who could not handle the 2360. Thankfully it was 'put out of its misery' a couple of years ago.
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 27 December 2006 11:26 PM
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peteTLM

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I think you would have to be insane to try to do 91' without 81' firmly engraved on brain!

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 28 December 2006 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Wango

I'd be interested to know of anyone that has had to prove they had 2381 when they applied for 2391.



I have seen in the small print words to the effect but at any stage, did anyone have to show their certificate?



Don't know of 2351. Did a search on the internet and no hits for a relevant C&G 2351.


I had to show my 2381 cert before Bracknell college would enrol me on the 2391, that was back in June/July.
 28 December 2006 08:41 PM
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deleted_Panikmkanik

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I tried to get on a 91 but was told my 81 was out of date as it was more than 3 years old. so I had to enrol for 81 and now waitn to enrol for 17th. what that all about?
 30 December 2006 10:08 AM
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nsambrook

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Originally posted by: stevendoust

The C&G introduced the 2351 some years ago to run alongside the NVQ Level 3. It was modular in eight sections. It was the underpininning knowledge (theory) for the NVQ. It was considered to be a very 'simplified' version of the 2360 introduced in order to get the pass rate up amongst those who could not handle the 2360. Thankfully it was 'put out of its misery' a couple of years ago.

Cheers


Steve.


What he said. It was a poor qualification however had the same status of the 236 according to the qualifications structure. If you have it, it is a valid Level 3 Tech Cert but I would really recommend reinforcing it with the 2381 and 2391, and also, in that particular order.

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 30 December 2006 11:15 AM
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They didn't ask for my 2381 when I phoned in and enrolled for the 2391 but I had done the 2381 at the same place, so they could have looked it up later.

Ousme, it could be worth asking if you can just do the 2360 (or it's new equivalent) exam as you have done the 2351. It is a fair argument that as it no longer exists you should have a chance to see if you can pass the 2360.
Even if the 2360 went into more depth than the 2351 I would assume you have had time now to pick up more experience and information.

Try and find some old 2360 question papers, the college may let you look at some. They should give an idea of what you would need to read up on, if anything, before taking the exam.
There aren't any on sparky heaven but I am sure someone has them and can post a few ?

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 30 December 2006 11:39 AM
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dizzyfergy

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The City and guilds dont pose any entry restrictions . This is from the 2391 entry paper ...........City & Guilds does not provide courses of instruction or specify entry requirements. As long as the
requirements for the qualification are met, tutors/assessors may design courses of study in any
way that they feel best meets the needs and capabilities of the candidates. Candidates for both
certificates should be practising electricians and centres are required to offer a practical test to
evaluate their ability to conduct testing. ............................ So any restrictions must be imposed the college.

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 30 December 2006 11:50 AM
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siphilips

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in response to wango who wrote:


I'd be interested to know of anyone that has had to prove they had 2381 when they applied for 2391.

I have seen in the small print words to the effect but at any stage, did anyone have to show their certificate?

i sat the 2381 exam

then the 2391 exam WITH THE SAME LECTURER

he then asked me if i had sat the 2381 exam (even thought there was only 4 of us in the class!!!)

annd to top it off i has to bring the 2381 certificate in !!!

and, he photocopied it !!!!???????

anyway i sat the exam 19th October and got told on 14 December the Summers results had not come back yet, well worth 500 quid plus VAT don't you think
 30 December 2006 01:14 PM
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nsambrook

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Originally posted by: johnwoods

Ousme, it could be worth asking if you can just do the 2360 (or it's new equivalent) exam as you have done the 2351. It is a fair argument that as it no longer exists you should have a chance to see if you can pass the 2360.

Even if the 2360 went into more depth than the 2351 I would assume you have had time now to pick up more experience and information.


The replacement is the 2330, a much better qualification than the 2351 but still not up to the standard of the 236 (but that may just be an old fashioned out-dated view). It consists of 5 multi choice tests and 4 practical assignments covering levels 2 and 3. The content has certainly been beefed up if the final examinations haven't.

I do think that it will be more widely accepted than the 2351 depending on who employs you. This is wrong of course as many students just have not had the option to do any other type of exam at the time it existed.

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 30 December 2006 01:55 PM
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ousme

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i can take the 91 at fcot but they are full till next september. while looking for others colleges , i found more about my2351 certificate.but anyway through my wife connection i will start 91 in feb07. i bought a 91 cd { C&G 2391+ ROBIN VCD}on ebay for £6 it very good. pass papers, video, etc... let's wait & see. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE

Edited: 30 December 2006 at 01:58 PM by ousme
 31 December 2006 12:36 AM
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Chgspark

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I sat 2391 at Wakefield skill centre, without the 2381.

then sat 2381 exam only as i passed 2391 no probs.

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 01 January 2007 05:55 PM
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deleted_leckyman

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Hi all
I have just been talking to the chap at Link removed hewas able to sort out my confusion about exams. He seems to know more about electrical courses that they do at the colleges.
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